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I've played a lot of Elite Dangerous and this does look really impressive for a C64 game. Good to see the original Elite holds your hand about as much as the latest one does....meaning it doesn't.

How very dare you to call the Cobra MkIII the Cobra MkII

This game really was amazing for the time

I would love to play _Escape Velocity: Nova,_ except new installs are no longer possible (last time I checked) because Ambrosia no longer exists (my complaint about online registration) and the game hasn't been ported to GOG yet. _Elite_ definitely feels like a spiritual predecessor.

You crashed into the station. Now they hate you and kill you. Once you fully realize the depth of the simulation, you'll be amazed.

This game looks like a total pain in the ass to play.

_Translator:_ I didn't play much of the first Elite, but I played a lot of Oolite, Frontier: First Encounters, and Elite Dangerous. PS. You really are a terrible pilot 😅

NASA called: you're fired!

Imagine showing Elite Dangerous in VR to someone who loved this game? Lol.

I wonder why in your video we never hear the C64 theme song ua-cam.com/video/4lKKy3l_5YI/v-deo.html

I recall that Elite was a pioneering game solely because at the time there were two undisputed rules for a popular/successful game which were that the game needed to have 1. lives, 2. high score. People actually believed that without those, no-one would play that game because everyone had only the concept of fast to learn arcade style gaming experience. When they tried to find publisher for Elite, everyone refused because it lacked these two "rules". Now, I don't remember anymore whether they did self-publishing and getting proper publisher only after it became successfull on its own or if they found proper publisher before getting successfull.

I suppose it had to happen at some time. For my money, I'll play Noctis IV over Elite, but I respect Elite. ...Does this version not have the docking computer?

Thanks for playing this cool Game. BtW your Ship is the COBRA MK III .... Larger, more popular version of the Cobra Mk I (the Mk 2 only reached prototype stage and was abandoned due to a design fault in the hull). This ship is equipped with several special features, including Zieman Energy Deflection Shields, fore and aft, and mountings for four Ingram Pulse lasers. The Cobra is much favored by lone-wolf traders who wish to combine potential superior combat qualities with adequate cargo space. Dimensions - 65/30/130 ft Cargo Capacity - 20 TC Armaments - Ingram laser system; Lance & Ferman Seek & Kill missile system Maximum Velocity - 0.30 Inservice Date - 3100 AD (Cowell & MgRath Shipyard, Lave) Maneuverability - CF 8 Crew Number - 1 or 2 Drive Motors - Kruger "lightfast" motors Irrikan ThruSpace Hull Stress Factor - T Ji 18 C-Holding M18 Hyperspace Capability - Yes

the manual needs it's manual, but really it tells you all kinds of stuff to have OH moments with. like the vipers are police ships. they couldn't have police lights show up and whatever like that on the bbc so that's how you're supposed to know it's the police, that it's the police ship as told in the manual. anyway back in the day of course we would use hours and hours while learning english to play the game. the dos cga version is superior 'old' version of elite, the mcga version is like the final re-port deluxe version.

no nostalgia, full PTSD retro gaming :)

Despite a love of this genre, I've never owned a copy of or played any version of Elite. Absolute titan of a game and genre starter that it is, I've spent the hundreds of hours on its competitors.

Try Frontier on PC some time, it makes way more sense, just from being more modern and having mouse control

Growing up with a BBC me and my brother loved Elite, though we didn't have the C64 version. It takes a while to get into, but once it clicks it's fun enough, especially at the time. There's a few things which jump out on this video. I don't think he understood the economy - buying items that a planet only has a couple of them in stock is usually a *bad* idea. Lave only had 3t on Liquor/Wines which implies it's not something they produce. Comparing the prices, they're 23.2cr/t at Lave and 21.6cr/t at Diso. However, Diso is also an Agricultural planet so not the best for trading with - Leesti is much better. Combat is hard at the start of the game since you don't have the best equipment. Missiles are your friend but also just getting used to saving where you can. Docking is tricky but the approach you had in the end was roughly the right idea. You just needed to be more centered on the station, and counter-intuitively, you want to be going a bit faster than minimum speed. That way if you hit the sides at the last minute, you are still able to just get into the docking region. You also want to tap the keys to maintain an amount of roll instead of just holding the key down. Elite doesn't change how the controls work based on situation - it will always slowly reset the roll to zero when you release the key. It's a limitation of the digital controllers at the time when really analogue joysticks would have been ideal. Slaves and Narcotics are both illegal in the game, which means you can make a *lot* of money with them but there's a high risk the police will take notice and you'll become a fugitive. It feels like there's a lot of complex controls, but actually there aren't that many. Basically there's the movement controls (roll/pitch and speed), some for turning docking on/off, the hyperjump and local jump, ECM activation, and then some missile commands. There's a great wiki here: www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Elite The C64 version is an odd one as it has the most features of the 8-bit versions with secret missions, but it's also the slowest due to the processor and there's quite a bit of flicker. As a game, it was great at the time because it had more going on than most other games as well as being a very early example of an open world. You have no real goals, you just play in the sandbox. But everything in it has been done better now, and computers are much more suited for this kind of game. It has charm but it's mostly a curio. For the absolute best version, you want Arc-Elite - the version made for the Archimedes. This has a tonne more going on, including way better AI. For instance, the other ships can get in fights with each other and overall the universe feels even more living rather than it existing purely for you.

I couldn't get into Elite games even after playing the newest game AND meeting David Braben @ E3 in 2014 (a decade already?)! Oh, and Froniter had an awesome room. Not crowded, but awesome evem with free food and drinks beside swags!

5:05 -- nope, the highest combat rating is Elite. To earn it, you need to toast 6400 (if memory serves) other ships in battle. The number grows exponentially with each new rating step, therefore most players never rise above Competent or maybe Dangerous. 8:07 -- oh, the economics are easy. There are only two types of planet economies: agricultural and industrial. All the goods are quite self-explanatory about where they are obtained and where they are in demand. In poor worlds, cheap goods become cheaper, but expensive ones become more expensive. The two invariably most profitable goods to trade are furs and computers. 12:40 -- that's why having missiles of your own is important. They are a poor man's ECM. Pirates typically have ECMs on them, so firing a missile back will force them to activate it. Which indiscriminately toasts any and all missiles. 22:52 -- somehow, even having the third dimension doesn't alleviate traffic accidents. On the other hand, congratulations, you just got a confirmed kill! I'm slightly surprised that the police didn't fly out in full force in response. At least they assigned you the fugitive status. 26:46 -- maybe because you're a fugitive, and now pirates AND bounty hunters will be doubly happy to have your head? 27:17 -- acktshually, it is in fact trivial. All models have pre-calculated normals to their faces. All you need to do to tell if a face of a convex polyhedron is visible is to calculate the dot vector product of the camera's axis and the face's normal (three multiplications and two additions). If the product is negative, it is visible. This optimisation is the reason why most 3d engines require geometry to be built out of individually convex polyhedra. 27:25 -- no need to be ashamed. The game has a great concept, but its playability is severely limited by the technology. You need to be a special kind of player to fully enjoy it. Kind of like the Dark Souls players. And speaking of technology, a great way to experience this game's concept is the fan remake, Oolite. Fancy graphics, smooth-like-mayonnaise controls, including mouse (including Elite2-style yaw control). Actual traffic management at the stations. And combat is still tough as nails, but at least this game gives you an impression of control.

Maybe Diso is a no alcoholic beverages allowed world and your first smuggling run got terminated by the local security fleet?

Frontier and Frontier 2 add so many QoL features it’s almost funny.

@level_6 Go through the door to the top right. Jump over in to the warp zone of level 8 collect everything including the trophy. Kill the a Dave. Now play level 6 and collect everything with another trophy. Finish it. You get a fortune. @level_8 Dont collect the second jetpack. It will be useful to fall into the hole if you get killed on the RHS of the level when you are out of jet pack.

I had Elite Plus on DOS. I used to love playing that game. I would write down each planets market pricing and establish trade routes. Also... ECM and a rear firing laser saved my butt more times than I could count

This might sound like an absolute joke but I think the NES version is the best port of them all, its actually relatively user friendly and easier to figure out and play, hell, they even give you a docking computer at the start. Acorn Archimedes one is also pretty cool.

None of the Elite games click with me. In theory, I love everything about Elite... except that I can't freaking accomplish anything notable other than to die. With Elite: Dangerous, I get worn out just getting to the location of whatever I am going to do, let alone doing it. The early DOS games wear me out just to think about taking off. I swear to god, I am far from a casual gamer, but these games make me seem like one.

So the game did not think you were docking at all having played elite. You need to request permission to dock at the station and then you have a limited amount of time in which you are permitted to do your docking procedure. You became a fugitive because you basically snuck into the space station without permission which is also why there was a ship coming out of the station and why the auto rotation was not working. I started with Elite Dangerous and then went back to see where the game had come from and what the original was like which is the only way i had any idea what i was doing. This game basically takes realism to the extreme which is what the sequel does as well.

If it helps, this is the experience of *everyone* starting Elite. You get better at it, but you have to put in the time. You're not doing anything wrong. This is how the game is. Also primitive though it looks now, when this came out, it was about the coolest thing anyone had ever seen.

So, Elite is up soon on ADG?

It's not a friendly game to get into - though some versions are less painful than others, and in my case emulating the BBC Micro original was how I clicked with it (faster updates, proper analogue joysticks et al). Though the limitations of that machine as the lead result in many of the UI and info quirks! I will say though, it's easier than Frontier or Frontier: First Encounters. Both of those are far more painful to get into.

They might be a European cracking group, which would mean January 1994. Also, nice SID rendition of 'Depeche Mode - Everything Counts'. As for the game itself, it's legendary, though I get it's not everyone's cup of tea! I need to give it a proper go at some point, be that the DOS version, DOS version of Plus, C64, or Amiga! That said, Frontier does a lot of stuff better, though if I recall correctly, it's a bit buggy; First Encounters is much more so, however!

Yeah, I've had even less luck with playing the original Elite. Didn't even manage to land on a station. Didn't know that the rotation should automatically persist when you are aligning with the station. Then again, maybe I've had the same problem as in the video of this not working, Elite: Dangerous definitely much easier game to start playing.

What is that voice in your intro saying? I have had no luck deciphering it

I don't know what it is, but I have never been able to play the Commodore 64 version of Elite. No copy on the internet would work for my Commodore 64. Maybe the copy protection?

Hell yeah, I cannot play Elite either.

One memory I have was of trying the Apple IIe version and being surprised that it plays rather differently in a lot of ways. Most notably it seemed to have random encounters (though still taking place on the overworld) rather than the more action-RPG system you see here. I can't recall if that was only for the overworld or if it was true for the dungeons as well. ..... So about the "physical version for the sake of collecting" thing, I recall reading that the DOS port was actually never released stand-alone, but could only be found in compilations. I'm not sure if that's true or not. In any case the Ultima Collection is how I got my copy.

I think you have too much free time 😏

Been on sort of an FPS kick lately. Funny thing is for how universally praised Quake is now, I remember back when it was new (and even for years afterwards) there was a bit of cynicism about it. "Duke 3D vs Quake" was a common argument, on par with Sonic vs Mario. I also remember this being the start of a period where people would say "Id Software no longer makes games, they make engines." Speaking personally, I remember a time when I hated Quake, because of the boring weapon selection and the over-reliance on boring brown levels. But over time the game grew on me to the point where a few years ago I wound up positively addicted to it, and when I play now I often have to control myself in order to not end up running through the entire campaign in one go. Doom is still better overall, but Quake ain't bad. I never did play Quake II though. Funnily enough I do have Quake III Arena, which I find pretty fun even if I'm forced to play against bots.

So funny thing, this seems to be a case where the game's value has DEcreased over the years. Just now I looked it up on ebay and found several copies (none fully boxed) that were usually around $20. Indeed I managed to score one that was just the disc and manual for $15. Just goes to show that prices fluctuate, and what may be super-valuable one year may become reasonable again a few years later.

So did you hear the news about Nightdive and Id making a new official episode, "Legacy of Rust?" In general Doom related stuff could be a good idea for a Mod episode--would love to see your thoughts on Final Doom, Sigil, Legacy of Rust, etc... provided you think you could make an interesting video (I have faith). Or oddities like HacX or Perdition's Gate (total conversions that got sold in stores).

I love seeing your methodology for reverse engineering gameplay mechanics.

Still loving ya videos still, every day look into new videos from you and with these c64 games I look to see if there was a release of these on other systems

I just gave it a whirl and it actually feels really great to play. Honestly, if there was analog turning and the acceleration and drift was bit more nuanced, it'd be a pretty great little game. But I can see what you mean about it getting a bit repetitive.

Is there another game that uses those graphics? Feels like seen the spaceship graphic style somewhere else...

Wasn't there a (possibly mouse-controlled) 3D rail shooter game with this specific group of games (with Starfire) that was also Shareware? Or at least a game with the same ship rendered in polygons? I still remember the exploding-Earth Game Over screen from one of them.

"A race that feeds off the misery of others" sounds exactly like humans to me.

This looks to be a pretty neat game, overall, with a surprisingly nuanced combat mechanic! As to the promise of pretty backgrounds... You know, for the Commodore 64, they're actually not bad, I'd say. Also: ~14:17: Oh wow, well-spotted! I did not see that enemy until well after you pointed them out! 0_0

Is it just me, or do the ships that one escorts look like they're wrapped around by a red ribbon with a little golden bell--like a giant space-borne Lindt Bunny. :P

"A craft called ADC" The Ancient DOS Computer? ;)